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PostSubject: ferguson   ferguson Icon_minitime8/14/2014, 3:42 pm

knowing that i haven't heard about this until today, i was curious if you've heard anything about it? what are your thoughts? i'm upset that i haven't heard anything these past few days, especially on the television news, until i discovered this occurrence on google news.
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930
i suggest to watch the first video on the link i put.

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PostSubject: Re: ferguson   ferguson Icon_minitime8/14/2014, 4:09 pm

I've been seeing it all over social media, except tv which is a damn shame because a vast majority of Americans pay closer attention to that than the web. The police have become militarized and their fighting grounds are the neighborhoods. Their enemies are civilians they're meant to be protecting and that's not okay. When revolution members from other countries are giving the U.S., a worldwide superpower tips on how to clean the teargas feom your eyes you know something in the system is absolutely wrong.

TBH I think we'll see another revolution in our life time. Civil rights have always been trampled on here but I think there's a slow realization that peaceful protest doesn't mean crap on the small scale, which unfortunately is what we're seeing in Ferguson--by a minority no less so white authority feels less threatened and more inclined to abuse the power they've been entrusted with. If it has been a group of primarily white people protesting peacefully? I don't think we would have seen the excessive force in crowd dispersing we've been seeing the past few days.
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“Whereas riots are often galvanizing community events with the potential to unleash concerted political energy in dynamic and unpredictable directions, the stale politics of respectability only leads to further marginalization and dislocation. Now, it’s possible to disagree with the utility of insurrection. But these communities’ responses to subjugation must be We live in a context of white supremacy and neoliberal capitalism, where race-neutral policies are being used to maintain class exploitation and racial hierarchy, and any overt attempts to address racism are being dismantled or disregarded. These policies only intensify the economic dislocation and poverty experienced by those at the margins.
What both the local news interviewees and the crowd at the scene of Mike Brown’s death seemed to understand was that they needed to disrupt the interplay between racial subjugation and capitalism. They felt that a march or some other acceptable form of benign indignation would not address their political needs — and they weren’t wrong.”

- Robert Stephens II - In Defense of the Ferguson Riots

I'm really pissed off at this because there has been so many freakin national police brutality with no reason whatsoever to justify their actions like the one where Aiyana Stanley (7 yrs old) was killed by a police during a raid and was murdered in her sleep or where Eric Grant was strangled to death by a police officer for allegedly selling illegal cigarettes and also Trayvon Martin which I'm sure everyone knows of. All these people were all unarmed and this is obvious blatant racism. Anyone can feel free to correct me with that but that's my valid thought and if I ever get my information wrong, someone tell me. I just find it disgusting that in the last four weeks, four unarmed African-American men have been killed by policemen across the country (Michael Brown in Furgeson, Eric Grant in New York, John Crayford in Dayton, and Ezell Ford in L.A)

To quote someone one tumblr who couldn't have said it better:
"i don’t understand why the word “terrorism” hasn’t come up yet. this is literally an attack on unarmed, innocent american people by armed and aggressive forces. this is terrorism, these white people are terrorists, and they are attacking america by holding an entire town of it’s citizens hostage, sequestering them, and acting with brutality against them." - caliginouskarkat

While we're on the subject of Ferguson I'm going to spread this little petition here: x

Okay I may have ranted on this but yeah that my two cents.
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PostSubject: Re: ferguson   ferguson Icon_minitime8/14/2014, 5:33 pm

1. I didn't really understand the shouting in the videos.
2. Civil rights? Aren't all civilians equally righted?
3. Why is the police force being militarized? I thought that protest was legal?
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PostSubject: Re: ferguson   ferguson Icon_minitime8/15/2014, 2:02 am

i didn't watch the video, but ferguson has been all over my dash and it's really, really disgusting. as kayla said, this is blatant racism—why can white people protest at a hockey game and not get attacked? why can anti-abortion people protest and not get attacked? hell, the westboro baptist church can protest without having this sort of legal mess.

meanwhile, the people of ferguson can hold a peaceful protest about yet another unarmed black boy being unjustly shot and killed, but !!oh no!! we can't have that. we need to hide this white cop's act of murder and pretend it was all justified.

progress my ass. it's like the civil rights movement hasn't accomplished anything.
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PostSubject: Re: ferguson   ferguson Icon_minitime8/15/2014, 7:13 pm

Rovender Kitt wrote:
1. I didn't really understand the shouting in the videos.
2. Civil rights? Aren't all civilians equally righted?
3. Why is the police force being militarized? I thought that protest was legal?

White man is at the top of the patriarchy. You can narrow it further through religion, class, etc. but for now I'll just stick with a few facts of why even. Equality is not a reality.

Have some facts on the difference between even men and women in American society. Click if you'd like to see the sources i got them from. Technically? We have the same rights, sort of. (Except, y'know, the fight for abortion. And people trying to arrest shirtless women. Men can do it tho (and women in NY tho cops will still attempt to arrest them) etc.)

In 2012, female full-time workers made only 77 cents for every dollar earned by men, a gender wage gap of 23 percent.

Of the 535 seats of congress, women hold only 99 of those. That's less than 20%.

Viagra is covered by insurance yet pads and tampons are not.

And don't get me started on the immense difference for racial minorities. Should we all be treated equally? Yes. Do we? Not even close.

As far as why the police force is being militarized, that's a great question. It's important to note that, yes, after the Brown situation, vandalism and looting did rise in Ferguson. People were pissed. Righteously so, when witnesses report that a child was screaming for his life, unarmed, and shot 8-11 times while he had his hands in the air and was running away. That multiple witnesses testified and gave the story, but the cop, Darren Wilson, said "he tried to wrestle the officer's gun away" even though all witnesses said that was false. So it was important for police to amp up their game some and make more arrests. However, the fired rubber bullets and teargas cannisters onto a peaceful crowd Wednesday night, who had gathered to protest. Yes, they shouted at police. Yes, they chanted. No, that is not cause for a team of 70 swat members clad in armor to advance on them, use ear splitting crowd dispersal whistles, and whip tear gas onto them. It does not give police permission to threaten to arrest media for covering the problem. They claimed it was for "problem containment." Personally, I think that means, "we know we're not supposed to be doing that but we're doing it anyway." It does not give them rights to ignore a man's plea for a medic or help as he begged from the back of a police car. Or mock him, which a journalist reported occurred while also being arrested. It does not give the police permission to use excessive force. Yes, there will be rowdy people who don't exit the building you're attempting to clear out, which, legally, cops have that right if they have reason to believe the group inside are in danger or a threat. Sometimes, to get people to leave you do have to physically do so. But there's a fine line between doing it because you have to and doing it because you can, which was crossed.

To answer your question, legally yes, it's your constitutional right to peaceful protest. It is your right to produce media (within some guidlines, mind you. Secretly according an officer on duty or otherwise interfering with their work is against the law.) These rights were trampled on in Ferguson, and all hell broke loose.
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PostSubject: Re: ferguson   ferguson Icon_minitime8/15/2014, 11:41 pm

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So I guess I should read up on the situation a bit more. I obviously haven't done much research, so I guess I should start!

About the equality thing-
Yes, I agree that no one is truly equal, but right-wise, I think they are. Men and women have equal statements in the bill of rights, and though America's had a bad history with that and racism/discrimination, it's sorted a lot (but not all) of that all out.

That's all I have to say
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